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Game #40

Aston Villa

Saturday, 7 January 1888

Lost

5th Round

Last 5: ๐ŸŸฉ ๐ŸŸฉ ๐ŸŸฉ ๐ŸŸฉ ๐ŸŸฅ

FA Cup

Preston North End

Attendance: 27,000

Wellington Road, Perry Barr

Aston Villa (Holders)

1-3

Preston North End

Assist(s) | None

MATCH SUMMARY

Disgraceful and shabby behaviour from referee Clegg and Preston's Suddell see the game decided in an office at the Oval seven days on from the call of time.

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MATCH TIMELINE

Saturday, 7 January 1888

๐Ÿ’ฅ | Both captains and referee Clegg discuss that the game cannot be played as an FA Cup tie due to overcrowding and likely encroachment on the playing surface being detrimental to both teams.
๐Ÿ•’ | Kick off
๐Ÿ’ฅ | Crowd encroachment leads to a 7.5โ€™ delay to the game
๐Ÿ’ฅ | Preston officials protest continuance of play as an FA Cup tie and request it to be played as a friendly
โšฝ | 13โ€™ Goal, 1-0, Archie Hunter
๐Ÿ’ฅ | Crowd encroachment leads to a 9โ€™ delay to the game
๐Ÿ’ฅ | Villa officials support Preston officials protest continuance of play as an FA Cup tie and request it to be played as a friendly
๐Ÿฅ… | Goal, 1-1, (Preston North End), Johnny Goodall
๐Ÿ•’ | HT Aston Villa 1-1 Preston North End
๐Ÿ’ฅ | Preston North Endโ€™s Graham punches Tommy Green on the field of play
๐Ÿฅ… | Goal, 1-2, (Preston North End), Ross jnr
๐Ÿ’ฅ | Mounted police arrive at the ground to try and prevent further encroachment
๐Ÿฅ… | Goal, 1-3, (Preston North End), Ross jnr
๐Ÿ•’ | FT Aston Villa 1-3 Preston North End

Post Match.

Suddell of Preston North End totally reneges on his in game protests.

The match officials and FA however call for a reply under Cup tie conditions.

Suddell refuses such a move and threatens to pull Preston North End from the competition in protest unless the result is upheld.

All parties assume this is a fit of pique and sense will prevail in Preston however Villa are minded to not push the matter so as to not damage the credibility of the competition and relationships between the clubs.

Preston have no such magnanimous pretensions to the disgust of the footballing fraternity.

Umpires C. J. Hughes (Cheshire) and M. P. Betts (Harrow) confirm that both captains had agreed to play the match as a friendly on the second encroachment with Villa one goal to the good.

Referee Clegg denies the recollection of both captains and umpires and claims that Villa had not concurred with the game being treated as a friendly.

Oddly this evidence is accepted by the FA.

As a consequence the FA claim they can only judge whether Prestonโ€™s protest with the score at 0-0 means they are unable to claim the game at 3-1, and whether Villaโ€™s alleged (by one individual, contested by four) failure to protest meant Villa were unable to retrospectively support Prestonโ€™s protest.

When the FA meet one week later they determine that Preston are awarded the match.

They do so whilst ignoring the basis upon which they had claimed the case would have been judged, in itself that basis, due to some unorthodox statements from referee Clegg, effectively absolved Preston of any responsibility for their protest and counter protests.

The FA decided Preston, should be awarded the game as โ€œAston Villa had not taken sufficient precautions for keeping the crowd outside the enclosureโ€.

Villa did not challenge the decision despite the wildly inconsistent nature of the refereeโ€™s recollections, the FAโ€™s claims and basis for judgement and the abhorrent behaviour of Suddell and Preston North End.

Preston would end as FA Cup runners up to West Bromwich Albion.

ON THIS DAY

Secretary Manager George Ramsay's Villa face off against the mighty North End in a game billed as "The Great Football Match", that sees the two best teams in the land play one another for the first time in League or Cup football.

But the game is overshadowed by controversy caused by the utterly shabby behaviour of referee Clegg and Preston's Suddell.

By FA dictat the holders are knocked out in the fifth round.

Aston Villa

FA Cup Winners: ๐Ÿ†
Last Trophy: 1886-87

Preston North End

FA Cup Winners: โŒ
Last Trophy: โŒ

FIXTURE HISTORY

Preston North End

Previous 5 vs. Preston: None
None

FIXTURE DETAILS

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Season | 1887-88 |
Matchday | #4 |
Manager Game | #14 |
Friday, 7 January 1887

MATCH SUMMARY

Manager: George Ramsay | ๐Ÿด๓ ง๓ ข๓ ณ๓ ฃ๓ ด๓ ฟ | Glasgow, 1886-1926 led Management Committee
Referee: John Charles Clegg | ๐Ÿด๓ ง๓ ข๓ ฅ๓ ฎ๓ ง๓ ฟ | Sheffield, 1888- ๐Ÿ†˜
HT Score: ๐ŸŸจ 1-1
FT Result: ๐ŸŸฅ Lost
FT Score: ๐ŸŸฅ 1-3
Last 5: ๐ŸŸฉ ๐ŸŸฉ ๐ŸŸฉ ๐ŸŸฉ ๐ŸŸฅ

MANAGERIAL RECORD

George Ramsay | ๐Ÿด๓ ง๓ ข๓ ณ๓ ฃ๓ ด๓ ฟ | 1886-1926

GAMES | WINS | DRAWS | LOSSES | POINTS PER GAME

๐Ÿ•’ 14 | ๐ŸŸฉ | 10 ๐ŸŸจ 3 ๐ŸŸฅ 1 | 2.36

Villa Career Form:

Champions

MATCH OFFICIALS

Referee: John Charles Clegg | ๐Ÿด๓ ง๓ ข๓ ฅ๓ ฎ๓ ง๓ ฟ | Sheffield, 1888- ๐Ÿ†˜
Matches Officiated: 1
๐ŸŸฉ : 0
๐ŸŸจ : 0
๐ŸŸฅ : 1
๐Ÿ†˜ : 1
๐Ÿ†˜ The first major refereeing controversy to hit Villa and it was a big one. Clegg not only damaged the integrity of the match itself, he also through false statements undermined the match umpires, as well as both captains and further enabled the Football Association to make an unwarranted and highly controversial decision and for Preston to benefit from their own shabby behaviour. Only the integrity of Villa prevented the issue becoming an albatross around the neck of the FA Cup.
Previous 5: None
Last Match: None
Cards: None
Umpires: Messrs C. J. Hughes (Cheshire) and M. P. Betts (Harrow)

TEAM NEWS

Fred Dawson makes his first appearance of the season in place of Joe Simmonds.

TEAM STATS

Starting XI Average Age:
| 24.92 |

Oldest Player:
HB Fred Dawson | ๐Ÿด๓ ง๓ ข๓ ฅ๓ ฎ๓ ง๓ ฟ | 29.12 |

Youngest Player:
B Frank Coulton | ๐Ÿด๓ ง๓ ข๓ ฅ๓ ฎ๓ ง๓ ฟ | 19.95 |

MANAGER

George Ramsay | ๐Ÿด๓ ง๓ ข๓ ณ๓ ฃ๓ ด๓ ฟ | 1886-1926

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Aston Villa

GK Jimmy Warner | ๐Ÿด๓ ง๓ ข๓ ฅ๓ ฎ๓ ง๓ ฟ |
B Frank Coulton | ๐Ÿด๓ ง๓ ข๓ ฅ๓ ฎ๓ ง๓ ฟ |
B Gershom Cox | ๐Ÿด๓ ง๓ ข๓ ฅ๓ ฎ๓ ง๓ ฟ |
HB Fred Dawson | ๐Ÿด๓ ง๓ ข๓ ฅ๓ ฎ๓ ง๓ ฟ |
HB Harry Yates | ๐Ÿด๓ ง๓ ข๓ ฅ๓ ฎ๓ ง๓ ฟ |
HB Jack Burton | ๐Ÿด๓ ง๓ ข๓ ฅ๓ ฎ๓ ง๓ ฟ |
IR Albert Brown | ๐Ÿด๓ ง๓ ข๓ ฅ๓ ฎ๓ ง๓ ฟ |
IR Tommy Green | ๐Ÿด๓ ง๓ ข๓ ฅ๓ ฎ๓ ง๓ ฟ |
IL Albert Allen | ๐Ÿด๓ ง๓ ข๓ ฅ๓ ฎ๓ ง๓ ฟ |
IL Dennis Hodgetts | ๐Ÿด๓ ง๓ ข๓ ฅ๓ ฎ๓ ง๓ ฟ |
CF Archie Hunter | ๐Ÿด๓ ง๓ ข๓ ณ๓ ฃ๓ ด๓ ฟ | โšฝ |

MANAGER

William Sudell | ๐Ÿด๓ ง๓ ข๓ ฅ๓ ฎ๓ ง๓ ฟ |

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Preston North End

GK Ferguson
B Bob Holmes | ๐Ÿด๓ ง๓ ข๓ ฅ๓ ฎ๓ ง๓ ฟ |
B Nick Ross | ๐Ÿด๓ ง๓ ข๓ ณ๓ ฃ๓ ด๓ ฟ |
HB Sandy Robertson | ๐Ÿด๓ ง๓ ข๓ ณ๓ ฃ๓ ด๓ ฟ |
HB David Russell | ๐Ÿด๓ ง๓ ข๓ ณ๓ ฃ๓ ด๓ ฟ |
HB Johnny Graham | ๐Ÿด๓ ง๓ ข๓ ณ๓ ฃ๓ ด๓ ฟ |
LW Fred Dewhurst | ๐Ÿด๓ ง๓ ข๓ ฅ๓ ฎ๓ ง๓ ฟ |
LW George Drummond | ๐Ÿด๓ ง๓ ข๓ ณ๓ ฃ๓ ด๓ ฟ |
RW Jimmy Ross | ๐Ÿด๓ ง๓ ข๓ ณ๓ ฃ๓ ด๓ ฟ | โšฝ | โšฝ |
RW Jack Gordon | ๐Ÿด๓ ง๓ ข๓ ณ๓ ฃ๓ ด๓ ฟ |
CF Johnny Goodall | ๐Ÿด๓ ง๓ ข๓ ฅ๓ ฎ๓ ง๓ ฟ | โšฝ |

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SUBSTITUTES

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No Substitutions permitted in period

SUBSTITUTES

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No Substitutions Permitted in Period

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UNUSED SUBSTITUTES

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No Substitutions permitted in period

UNUSED SUBSTITUTES

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No Substitutions Permitted in Period

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SQUAD STATS

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Villa XI:
Home Nation ๐Ÿด๓ ง๓ ข๓ ฅ๓ ฎ๓ ง๓ ฟ ๐Ÿด๓ ง๓ ข๓ ณ๓ ฃ๓ ด๓ ฟ ๐Ÿด๓ ง๓ ข๓ ท๓ ฌ๓ ณ๓ ฟ ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง : 11/11

MATCHDAY SQUAD

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SQUAD STATS

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Preston XI:
Home Nation ๐Ÿด๓ ง๓ ข๓ ฅ๓ ฎ๓ ง๓ ฟ ๐Ÿด๓ ง๓ ข๓ ณ๓ ฃ๓ ด๓ ฟ ๐Ÿด๓ ง๓ ข๓ ท๓ ฌ๓ ณ๓ ฟ ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง : 11/11

MATCHDAY SQUAD

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UNAVAILABLE

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Not recorded

UNAVAILABLE

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Not Recorded

Player Positions:

โ€‹

GK : Goalkeeper
CB, D, B : Centre Back, Defender, Back
FB, LB, RB, WH : Full Back, Left Back, Right Back, Wing Back, Wing Halfโ€จ

M, CH, LH, RH : Midfielder, Centre Half, Left Half, Right Half
W, OL, OR : Winger, Outside Left, Outside Right
F, IF, IL, IR : Forward, Inside Forward, Inside Left, Inside Right, Second Striker, False 9
CF : Centre Forward

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Match Symbols:

โ€‹

โšฝ | Goal
๐Ÿ”ฅ | Assist
๐Ÿ” | Substitution

๐ŸŸจ | Booking

๐ŸŸฅ | Sending off

๐Ÿ†˜ | Poor refereeing performance
๐ŸŸข : Debut ๐Ÿ”ด : Final Game

DEBUT APPEARANCES

FINAL APPEARANCES

MATCH STATS

Not recorded

MATCH QUOTES

"โ€‹The excitement which Saturdayโ€™s match aroused had nothing to do with the competition for the English Cup. It was a struggle for the football championship of England and the world."

MATCH REPORT